Stephanie “Giek” Smit is a star traveller who has incarnated many lifetimes on planet Earth for the same purpose each time, to channel art and spiritual insights in order to show humankind the importance of reconnecting with the spiritual realm and embracing their true selves. In this current life, they seem to have combined all the gifts learned in previous lives, which they now express as an interdisciplinary artist, performer, composer, poet, psychic, astrologer, occultist and healer, expanding in different fields. With their work, they address topics like self-destruction, addiction and duality, but they also highlight themselves like finding the authentic self, spiritual awakening and self-actualization using the laws of the universe. The art is comforting and healing, for some even triggering and provocative, but ultimately it serves as a tool to shift out of a dual existence into the higher dimensions in which pure creation is a constant. They create their own reality. And from this higher state, tell stories of hope and strength amidst the escapism and passion-fueled confusion of our generation. The raw, honest and the expanding work bring to the audience and the people they work with into different realities which make them rethink their existence and plant a seed towards healing and self-love. They believe that we all have a power to manifest the life we dream of, if we would all fully step into the power of the divine and show all of our colourful sides. They guide humankind using their intuition, mastery in the ancient hermetic teachings, and knowledge of astrology throughout transmutational work, past life regression, energy healing, and occultism, in order to make them aware of and expose them to their unique life purpose so they attract their soul tribe and come together to create the new world.
Website: https://www.reality-cult.com
Will: Hello, Stephanie.
Giek_1: Hi.
W: How are you?
G_1: All right. It's quite long like that.
W: I think it's been one of the longest bios and also...
G_1: What did you say about it Nebulous or something?
W: I always go for like meta, meta, meta stuff, you know? And my other friends that also work in like the culture industry, they go like, man, you have to, you know, they are expecting to find a person that you can take a tea with, you know? Not like a spiritual meta entity that, but yeah.
G_1: I mean. It's part of you, right?
W: Yeah, I mean, when you have this work with the body and with trying to understand you beyond the body, it's always difficult to stick up to a character, which is the personality, right? I totally understand this and I love it really much. I wish there were more bios like this. But yeah, we're here to ask you about you and what are you up to? At the moment.
G_1: That's very broad. It is broad. What am I up to? How can I say that? I am... In the self-actualization process, I would say, but I don't know, like it's like an initiation and everything that I've been doing the past couple of years is like leading up to, I feel like leading up to this moment or like what's coming. In the near future. And I'm really like knocking on heaven's door or whatever. Or I'm thriving in the fifth dimension while things in the third dimension trying to shift with me but it's a lot of chaos and I'm learning to stay centered within it and it's bringing me very far.
W: Maybe you can clarify a bit more what the fifth dimension is for you?
G_1: Yeah! the spiritual realm, the metaphysical, the non-physical, the non-dualistic…
W: Hard to travel in these materialistic days, right? What do you find playful about it?
G_1: Lately it's just seeing more and more how we are the masters of our own reality and that we are the ones that bend everything, and I'm actually experiencing it more and more and yeah, that's a lot of fun but it also asks you a lot from yourself and your mental abilities, your inner inner alchemy, your inner balance and… yeah yeah
W: I was at the gym the other day the gym is a very important part for me of my whole spiritual practice because it's one of the basic steps of my banishing
G_1: Is it like also like willpower…?
W: It depends a lot, because every time you do it something different happens. Maybe it has to do with willpower, but it more than anything clears up the mind because generates a certain hormones that set you in a kind of high ground that allow you to see and depict the map easier and it allows you to move among the trees a bit easier than if you're just lost in the forest, using this metaphor.
G_1: The force of overthinking?
W: Exactly. You need to tame it, you need to kind of go with it. And there was this quote. It was a very positivist quote. In the sense of positive thinkingbrather than positivism, like in science. And it says something like: ‘What the mind desires, the body acquires’ or something like that. And I was like: ‘This sounds... It's limiting to me.’ Because is it the mind that drives the body... Or does the mind decide the things that the body needs? So I kind of more feel that there's this dialogue among the spirit realm and the material realm, if we separate it in that sense, rather than just the spiritual realm guiding the material. I kind of feel that there's this dialogue rather than an imposture. What you think about this?
G_1: There's always a balance of everything. I think it goes either way. But yeah, I mean, the mind is more of like a physical thing, isn't it? The soul is the master and the mind is the tool and the physical is what you can perceive, right?
W: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course I'm kind of separating it to be able to speak about it because obviously the person that wrote that on the gym, they already have it separated in the mindset or whatever, you know? So I'm just taking that separation to be able to talk about it with you. But I also don't see a clear...
G_1: Working out is a great tool, I also started doing the weight stuff because I'm living with a good friend of mine now and he has all this equipment, and I feel like this is a really good. The time went so fast, 45 minutes and I didn't think about anything really, it's a really good one.
W: It's still a difficult one for me because I keep reaching these physical limits that I don't allow myself to come across sometimes. You expect yourself to lift more times or more weight because you kind of don't have this contact with the body that you actually have. Especially if you don't take caffeine, then you can perceive how the weights that you lift are not just physically more heavy, but mentally you also feel like it's lower. I think it's a good, it's a good ritual. It seems simple, you know, but I really think it's meaningless to lift those weights. And what is a ritual but radical senselessness that it's meaningful, you know? I come from a land where lifting weights is ancestral practice, you know? For some reason it generates this hormones in the body that kind of keep you going. It's kind of trying to remind you, you are where you are because you've been lifting all these weights from one place to another and doing thing, like a vestige, a rest of something that's been happening to our ancestors.
G_1: I am where i am or you are where you are because you've been lifting all these weights. Obviously you're constantly in that moment but in my process right now I'm very much aware of this now.
W: Does it also happen with lifting or is it something else?
G_1: No, just overall, like in life. But it's nice that you bring the metaphor within this like physical...
W: W: W: Because it's easier to put it.
G_1: I'm learning to really be in the present and to also be content with whatever is happening. My life has been a chaos the last couple of weeks. The physical exercise is helping me, because you're really in the moment and you're like ‘I'm pushing too. If I finish this, then I have the 10 times and then I do another one.’ Yeah, it's the same. I do a lot of yoga, Yin Yoga. So you stretch and then you stay three to five minutes in one position and you really feel certain parts of your body. And at some point it can get annoying. But if you only keep breathing, just staying in a moment and it will be over.And this is so powerful.
W: It's interesting, right? Because when you're experiencing the pain, you really don't think that there is a beyond the pain.
G_1: But there is, and it's the same with life, like having a chaotic moment in my life, but it will be over. Things will be fine, you just have to push through.
W: Do you have a ritual, or is there anything that you practice frequently as a daily basis or maybe weekly, monthly, yearly… something that you do often? Both for yourself or for others.
G_1: I do energy work in the morning when I wake up right away. I did like these Reiki courses like 10 years ago so I like to work with my hands on energy and this is how I start my morning and I recently added to that while I'm doing that because I'm still in the process of training my mind to not go everywhere.
W: Believe me I understand
G_1: I've added in the morning that
While I'm doing this energy work I visualize and practising gratitude. What am I happy about in this moment? And then, what do I see for myself in the future?
this is like my morning ritual, then I take tea and I start doing yoga. And, yeah, lately I've been making a lot of fashion, the last couple of years and a half I would say.
W: It's probably the most seeable thing that you have out there, like for me, illustration. The first front of what you do so people can...
G_1: I only have to walk on the street and people see it. Right now I haven't had a house for a couple of months, so now I have to get back into it, get my sewing machine back, but hours of putting on trippy meditation music and just make fashion really gets me in this higher state really fast. And I also do the moon rituals and I do the sigil work, a lot of tarot like a weekly check in around finances, around career, about which way to go, I check my astrology, I check transits, like where am I at right now? What do I need to know? And then within these rituals I also use the transits, where's the powerful energy in the chart right now? What can I use? So astrology, tarot and sigil work. It's like chaos magic, putting things together.
W: You mentioned the moon ritual. Is it your personal moon ritual or is it like the moon ritual from the Wiccans?
G_1: Just a full and a new moon. I recently learned about when the moon is in your sun sign —so for me it's Gemini— it's connected to this whole Jesus thing and stuff. With the 33 years of Jesus, but it's like 33 vertebrae in your spine. And then when the moon is in your sun sign, then you have something in your Pineal Gland. And it sends out something downstairs to the base of your spine. And then when the moon is in your sun sign, these times you can be more horny than normal.
W: Maybe I need to start doing those rituals.
G_1: The thing is, sexual energy is very powerful, as you know. I'm pretty much celibate. And these three days that the moon is in your sun sign is a very powerful time because then you have the glands bringing down some sort of fluid up and down the spine. And when you don't have any sex in these three days, then the fluid can get back up and this will give you life energy. So if you had a lot of sex in these three days you lose a lot of life energy. It's kind of kundalini exercises.
W: So it comes from the yoga as well. Because I know there is certain celibacy and sexual practices in Taoism as well.
G_1: I think it overlaps.
W: It normally overlaps because everything has to do with like spinning around the sun.
G_1: And I feel like it's actually a kind of sex magic, but I'm not having sex. Because I can get really horny by myself, but I'm not using it as in I'm not masturbating or whatever.
W: So you actually see yourself being horny those days.
G_1: I just feel it's this life force energy which —okay, could be considered as being horny but— it's actually this creative force energy spinning in your body and in these three days it is extra heightened and you can utilize this and it's very powerful to to heal your body and also for magical practices. This is a very fertile moment energetically. So that's something that I've been adding to that.
W: But it's not focused physically in the sexual organs. It's just you're more sensitive and more active. That's interesting. Because I would say that I definitely have all of that messed up. Because I don't have routines I kind of flow with whatever comes but I don't keep a track of that. So every time it comes I just do everything this energy asks me to do, but when it's not there
G_1: Like wanking up or like what we're talking about?
W: No wanking, no wanking. Wanking is actually uncontrolled I don't know it happens in specific moments of the day very specific moments of the day but I don't do it because I enjoy it mostly. Maybe one of three wanks I enjoy you know, it's not something I like to do really. I mean, more like this energy of like having ideas and being emotional, being sensitive, talkative, also cuddly, really willful to share touch. I tend to abuse sugar and caffeine to control it let's say, because it's more handy and it's very material. But there is a lot to learn over there and I think most of people are not aware of how they engage with the rhythms of the sun I think because of the basic reason that we have light switches. You can turn the light on in the night and then you can do your thing. And then you kind of lose the track of the sun and you stop looking at the skies. You just look at your computer. So, I think it's important to trace back that and see how it plays. For whatever reason, if your reason is to be fooled by the astrology jargon, then do it, you know? But I think we really need to look at the skies again, because we've forgotten the...
G_1: I always say, there's always sceptic people. When I say I'm an astrologer that's like dude, the mathematics of the universe. How can you deny this? Why aren't we looking back? It started as a science actually
W: I think because the way it's been used and utilized. Do you know the “Forer Effect”?
G_1: I don't know.
W: So astrology and... How do you call it? The chart? It's kind of like a map, but it's not the actual thing. It's just a way to kind of... have a narrative to work upon. But there is this thing that also happens with Tarot, which is the Forer effect. You kind of, when you get told something, you already expect that. And some people believe that that is the actual truth, not just the baseline to work from.
G_1: Yes.
W: And I think that's the difficult thing, this little rice paper limit that you never know when you're working from the narrative because there is no actual division, really. It's a very difficult thing to do. And society now, it's very materialistic. If something can't be traced by the mathematics we've developed or something we've developed up to a point, then it's not valid. And most of the things that happen belief-wise. Most of the things we do, we do them because we have a narrative that is tied to a certain perception of the physical realm. And by perception, I'm referring to spiritual visions of the physical realm and when you kind of build all your society upon materialism and traceability these things are so far in the horizon, they are indeed the horizon, that you are sceptical about them because they are too far. You can't trace them. You can prove them right. But often they do work because they give you a baseline to work from. And most of the times this material kind of traced system we've built, most of the people don't realize that it's built upon a big narrative, which is Christianity also, right? And that's been our past. And then behind that is Greek past, which is more astrology-based and stuff.
G_1: Damn Christians! Nah…
W: 50-50, you know, I mean, it's what we have, it's what we are in a way. Most of the people in the world are like at least either Abrahamic or Atheist (or Buddhist) you know. Would like to clarify what's the one thing that you engage the most with?
G_1: What I love the most is the fact that I'm doing all of it. There was a time when I was only doing music. It started with dancing dancing in theater. And, and then I envisioned always like, ah, we go on tour and then blah, blah, blah. And I have all these gigs. But now I see that that would have killed me, only playing shows. I've done that with the comedy that I did a couple years ago. I am just too versatile to focus on one thing. And I think it's very powerful to be able to combine everything. For me, everything is overlapping and everything is part of this big, gigantic hole of my own reality and I do a lot of tarot, for example, because I have this extra job where I chat with people online.
W: It's very handy.
G_1: I would say I do a lot of tarot during the day and stuff that's my maybe at the moment my main practice because this is how I earn some money on site.
W: The big symbol.
G_1: Yes (laughs)
W: Which tarot deck do you use?
G_1: Raider-Waite.
W: Oh, the one from the Golden Dawn.
G_1: Is it from the Golden Dawn?
W: Yeah, it was designed by this guy, Arthur Edward Waite. And then drawn by Pamela Colman Smith.
G_1: My name is also Smit.
W: There you go. It's very art nouveau. I don't use it that much lately, but I use the Marseilles tarot. I actually have the deck from Lo Escarabeo, which is an Italian... It's a cheaper brand than the one from Jodorowsky. I used a major arcana from the Marseilles tarot, but the minor arcana, I used a version of the Rider-Waite Tarot developed by White Wolf Games and it's very fun because it's the same depictions as in the Rider-Waite Tarot but they give them this cyberpunk twist and they add this old neo-pagan stuff and it's super fun, very narrative and it's also built on a role-playing game that I love
G_1: Yeah, I like the medieval vibe that the original one has. This flat, very, very mined images. I do have the Thoth deck.
W: The one from Aleister Crowley.
G_1: A black and white Hermetic deck. But I haven't really used it because I like colours.
W: It's very beautiful the Raider-Waite Tarot.
G_1: Tomorrow I'm doing tarot then at a museum night. But then I also bring my big decor, which I also use in my theatre show.
W: I've seen that.
G_1: So I bring my painting, and then I'm obviously dressed in my GIEKONSTRUCT clothing then I do the tarot and it's kind of performative. So this is something where some of my practices come together. And then, yeah, you've seen my musical. The Kybalion: The musical.
W: Do you want to talk a bit about that?
G_1: Why not?
W: So what was that about?
G_1: You tell me.
W: Yeah, well, it's true. I'm the witness, right? So it was a long piece, like an hour?
G_1: Two hours.
W: It was quite a long piece. That was trying to narrate your personal experience through the text of the Kybalion and these voices trying to have opinions on how it works and also telling the tale and you having this dialogue with them. It was a musical, so it was cut with this clown-like musical pieces that were very spaced out.
We are here to create a new humanity and a new earth.
There is no escape from this conclusion of the reason which agrees with the highest teachings of the ***.
And living on, doing the best that we can, under the circumstances arising each day.
We are swung backwards. Projecting an energy from I to Me a process of the willing. Detrimental creation that begins and proceeds.
Just follow the divine signs
W: I think it's definitely worth a while but there is a lot of stuff to chew
G_1: Yeah, it's a lot of information. I think it could be nice for everybody. If you would put a child in front of it sees all these colours of my decor and me performing. I'm very theatrical so a child would be very, very entertained.
W: You're also dancing.
G_1: I'm dancing and I'm making jokes and whatnot.
W: The cube, I remember the cube.
G_1: The cube is like the twin flame thing kind of
W: The cube within a cube.
G_1: The cubes within the Rubik's cube and the soul tribes and whatever.
W: Three per three per three.
G_1: But if there's an occultist who knows a lot, they probably recognize a lot. They probably find it entertaining because it's very recognizable.
W: It's also about your own experience not just the Kybalion itself. It's the way you engage with the Kybalion.
G_1: And it's very much past life integrations and the knowledge that I've gained myself.
W: And you're using this Scottish accent as well.
G_1: Right, right, right. I wrote the musical a year and a half ago. I already did past life readings for myself using Tarot, so I had some ideas of who I've been and this and that. I connected to these kind of teachings always and this kind of character at the castle it turns out later on that I actually was this kind of magician in a castle. This is one of my past lives and then the last character, with the cult leader… I always thought I've been some evil cult leader manipulating people. But in the end it's a little bit different.
W: There was also a little dragon. (weird voice)
G_1: There was a little dragon. Yes, I've always been a dragon multiple lifetimes, I guess. No, I feel very connected to this kind of draco species.
W: There is such a thing in our culture. Well, in most of the cultures, really. Chinese culture has its dragon as the creative. And it was —or at least as far as we know— it was a reptile that came out from the water to start walking on the soil and getting in contact with the earth. So they must be, right?I heard someone saying that it might be because as hominids we were scared of dinosaurs back in the time so it's kind of a thing that we're constantly aware of because it's so deep in our minds as a symbol of respect that it keeps echoing in our culture. Which are your main sources of inspiration? How do you get inspired by... Human culture (deep voice). You echo with yourself?
G_1: When I started making music for example, it was about internet addiction and then it was a lot about how I got out of my process of self-destruction and addiction. This was a big, Big theme for quite a long time.
W: I think most of the people kind of relate to that.
G_1: Everybody. (jokes)
W: From millennials on.
G_1: Cliche but love… It's about self-love, because it's mirror, it's mirrors. People around, people that you're attracted to, it's just showing you what...
W: Like falling in love? It's such a thing.
G_1: It's a big one, yeah, of course, yeah. I've been in this super spiritual stuff for a long time. I've met many soulmates and stuff. And the last two years, things have been accelerated and I'm just meeting certain people that I've been sharing a lot of past lives with and this is a very big source of inspiration. But yeah in the end spirituality and self-growth and the self-actualization process —and occultism, past lives and whatever— all these things.
W: If there was a lesson that you learned on the way or life, what is it?
G_1: There are so many lessons.
W: You could call it Zoe. As in the bible, a life that is worth living.
G_1: As we started off. Life is a game and more and more that I'm starting to see we are the ones creating it. So the biggest lesson, I guess, is we are the ones creating it. And you better make the most out of it.
If you really set your mind to it and if you really start practising from the inside and stop looking outside of yourself for gratification —or whatever— you go inwards and more and more you start realizing that things can be really great although the chaos around you might be perceived as really bad.
I'm drifting off a little bit, I'm going within too much right now… See ya!
Gaius Helen Mohiam: Put your right hand in the box, your mother bade you obey me. I hold at your neck the Gom Jabbar poison needle, instant death. The test is simple: remove your hand from the box and you die.
Paul Arteides: What's in the box?
GHM: Pain. No need to call the guards. Your mother stands behind that door. No one will get past her.
PA: Why are you doing this?
GHM: An animal caught in a trap will gnaw off its own leg to escape. What will you do? Like sifting sand through a screen, we sift people. If you had been unable to control your impulses like an animal, we could not let you live. You inherit too much power.
PA: What? Because I'm a Dukes, son?
GHM: Because you are Jessica's son. You have more than one birthright, boy.
W: Now we see the magic circle for what it really is, our internal problem solving system. According to Huizinga most cultures have a ritual magical circle. A safe space for power play to be explicit. This circles and their implied fields and spheres are constantly being organised and dissolved, generating tangencies, intersections of all sorts. This means most certainly we are finding ourselves in the intersection of a Venn’s diagram of magical circles we are not so aware of. We have little idea of how this works, but it works. Is our responsibility as magical thinkers to be aware of what’s our relationship towards them in choosing to what extent do we want to partake. Which rituals are we practising automatically. Objectives are an event horizon. A (dis/u-topia). Although this summarizes pretty well what we have been addressing in previous episodes, we left outside the element of freedom. Then, can we say that games are the problem solving activity that is entered wilfully?
Problem Solving 101:
Is up to the individual or group of individuals to estimate which problem takes relevance. In a linear narrative this influences the rest of the steps.
A clear goal is defined, a Statement of Intent.
Determine the methods we are allowed to use, the rules of the problem. This marks a framework. Games have them, toys, artifacts, fetishes usually don't.
Set up in our minds a simplified version of reality.
This reality is easier to interact with as active participants for some, but more difficult for others. Discrimination within a group.
Trying to reach that goal turns out to be challenging.
Because it involves conflict.
If there is a right amount of it, then we become engaged and kind of forget about the real world.
The activity now gains internal importance that might not be relevant outside for the problem. We enter a trance.
Eventually we defeat the problem or are defeated by it, causing an unbalanced outcome.
Which are the main problems that you see in your life?
G_1: I mean, there was a money problem, but I feel like. Because of what is happening, it's pushing me towards something else. So in that sense, not a problem, It's more of a motivation, a fuel. Problems of having money issues is fueling my motivation to change stuff. And that goes really fast, this process so if there's really a problem...
W: How do you make to perceive money as a fuel?
G_1: Yeah, but not the money itself. The problem is the fuel of my motivation. The lack of money, I would say. I meditate and I then, it's kind of a balancing of masculine and feminine energies as in the meditation to come in the feeling of there is not really a problem right now. I'm just, I am. It just is. Whatever is going on outside of myself, it just is. This helps me to stay balanced. And on the other hand, there is this more very focused, very direct, very motivated, masculine kind of energy that works towards building... trying to get money.
W: Money is a big struggle for any creative or people somewhat related to art or all this less measurable industries If you might call them like that because they try to industrialize the very basic practice of...
G_1: We're moving into different times where money itself... It's more about energy now. With the money issues, I've been, for example, focusing on putting my web shop online finally. I was postponing my fashion stuff because I had this whole bigger promotional idea. My ideas get bigger and bigger and bigger in my head and then i involve other people and it gets really big and then there's no money so that's why I've been postponing to release my fashion and right now not having money and getting fucked with the system a little bit and having to pay debts blah blah… pushed me to, ‘Oh, maybe I should put my clothes online’ because I have six bags of clothes. There was a lot of energy in there. Very focused. ‘This is going to bring me money because it's lucrative’ and then I do tarot and blah, blah, blah… In the end, a little bit further down, a couple of weeks further down, I haven't really sold anything from my web shop I had an exchange for a website someone is getting a garment and he's making a website but at the same time I got three bookings four actually there's a bunch of acting jobs that are on the road, because I put my very focused energy into putting this webshop. ‘I'm going to sell my fucking clothes.’ This is a manifestation. I put all the energy in this, like, clothes stuff, and then the rest started, like, running.
W: It always comes sideways for some reason. It always comes from somewhere. If you don't block it, of course.
G_1: Yeah, and now it's about putting work in very focused and concentrated but then also being able to let flow and trust and that's where the meditation comes in, without the meditation I would have been a wreck right now. Because when I meditate I feel like ‘Things are gonna be so fucking good, it's incredible’
W: And we, so many people keep dropping meditation
G_1: Yeah, it's so important.
W: Which type of meditation do you practice?
G_1: It was hard for me to just sit down. So I started doing with the yoga and stuff and dancing. I need some kind of stimulation in the form of either movement or some sound.
W: Do you chant mantras?
G_1: Yeah, I do in my own way, kind of singing or something. This is also part of my ritual sometimes to release or whatever. And also, like, a cat.
W: (meow)
G_1: (meow) They're very grounding for me. Like, when they do with the paws and stuff, like, I can feel the energy just, like...
W: And they know it.
G_1: They know it, yeah. I really like it, so that helps me to meditate, yeah. A cat. A kitty cat.
W: So are there hidden problems that arise as part of confronting life —or the great game in this case? What does occult mean for you?
G_1: Because of my occult practice —and I've been diving really deep into past lives— I would have a ritual to release any karmic ties of this past life, but also integrate stuff, jaddah, jaddah. Not even a week later I got messages from the Dutch government. I've been escaping from legals, bureaucratic stuff. And...
W: (deep voice) They are in your mailbox.
G_1: After this ritual, which is like this very occult practice, it brought me problems in that sense. Because I have to pay back thousands of euros, and all these organizations breathing in my neck, all of a sudden I figured out there are some karmic elements that are kind of blocking me in receiving what I'm supposed to receive. Things then shift really hard in the physical, like, okay, I want to release these karmic ties. Meaning: In my past life I kind of died during all kind of like legal issues, like I ran away from it, jaddah, jaddah. And I repeated it in this life in a different way. In order to release this karmic tie, things had to shift, so like immediately after a week, these things shifted. No house any more, no money, debts, completely to the ground. But this is paving the way because now I'm finally having my ‘balanced masculine energy’ to work towards stuff very consciously, very practically. And I'm finally having oversights of my financial situation, making plannings and I never did that. This is with the occult. If you dab into the occult, if you're brave to do that, things will shift and can go really fast and intense. But it ultimately leads you towards a better... If you're grounded and stable, and that's why you have to meditate, but ultimately it brings you to a better path.
W: It's incredible how the perceptions of the occult can be so different. For weirdos like me the statu quo, the normalcy, it's also an occult, you know? It kind of plays this role of, this is my face, here I am, I'm the emperor, I'm doing all this kind of big job that I have to do for humanity and stuff, like the big father —or the big brother if you want to say— but then when you focus really in your own world, your own realm, the illusion of the individual —let's say— and try to work from there, you lose the track of the Staru Quo.
G_1: The Reality.
W: Yeah, reality or the built reality.
G_1: The structure.
W: The conglomerate of tiles built as a reality. And you lose the track of reasoning why people do the things the way they do it. Why do you do it like this? Because you find your own reasoning, which is a million times more meaningful than the one that we kind of builtbut then if you go and ask someone about the occult they will tell you that it's about demons or vampires or I don't know some type of mainstream scary movie type of thing. But yeah, so it's interesting how it can really differ from the different perspectives. How do you think that life can generate problems that allow you to keep confronting them? How can your life keep bringing those troubles that actually make you interested engaged with the problem instead of ‘This problem is too big’ or ‘This problem is a wank’. The right space in which the problem is engaging enough, but not so big.
G_1: I think for me it has been always like things have to go really far before I finally do something about it.
W: Let's say there is a curve of intensity.
G_1: I think the biggest thing that I've conquered in my life... Is the addiction. I was very addicted. But that had to go really, really far... For me to see... and then I had this epiphany, like “Oh, I can do something else with my life. I'm like always like dreaming big, and things will align and blah, blah. And I was lacking this more logical sense, built on the third dimension, the real world. Iwent to some workaways so i would live with people in exchange for some work in the house
W: Some people call that homeless. Even though you have friends you still depend on the friends you don't have your own…
G_1: Roof above my head, but I wasn't sleeping on the street. When we attach to a certain image of ourselves then we keep on attracting it if you know what I mean
W: Identity.
G_1: So we have to break out of a certain loop by using our mind and willpower to redirect and stop attracting problems
W: I kind of like to play this game when I'm in meditation of trying to be conscious of the time. So I try to quit the clock. I used to like to start meditating and start a practice like 10 minutes, then 20, half an hour… and I didn't like to be attached to the clock. I have this side work with Chronos, this measure of time. I like to see him as this big titan chained in the basement and keeping the track of the time… this dialogue you with Google Calendar is talking to Chronos in a way and he's there, I don't know how to deal with this one, he's doing his thing, this creature it's huge it's chained. That's on one side. But on the other side, this meditation is has this little element of trying to get a bit far from Chronos and try to just be a bit more realistic about how time works beyond the Chronos thing. And I like to play this game of: Try to be conscious of what's the element that brings me back from meditation because that kind of can be a pun about what will make me come back if such thing as reincarnation exists. So I think it's a funny game, you know, to just try to understand that.
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